Can ellagic acid kill candida

[kazz]

Hi sarah, I have seen some information on the internet recently claiming that ellagic acid is a chitin inhibitor, and that it can successfully kill candida.I wondered if there is any truth in these claims and would very much value your opinion. Thanks.

[SarahVaughter]

Ellagic acid is a antioxidant and certainly not a Chitin inhibitor.

I don't think it can inhibit Candida whatsoever, but I do think it is a useful food-based antioxidant and automatically a part of any healthy diet.

Please note that the over-consumption of antioxidants directly harms your immune system, by neutralizing the oxidants that certain T-cells release to breech holes in the cell wall of bacteria and fungi.

[kazz]

So in a way it could do more harm than good if you took high strenth capsules of ellagic acid as it would harm your immune system which I suppose is always trying to keep the candida at bay.I would like to try the lufenuron as i have been trying to overcome candida for the last 30 years, the trouble is because I also have had M.E.for over 20 years as well, my immune system is very weak, I am housebound and bed or sofa bound most of the time,so this means I react very badly to most things.I know that you say lufenuron is non toxic, so im not worried about that, but its the die off, if you get huge amounts of die off and your body cant handle it, could it actually poison you (i've read candida lets out 72 different toxins, and more when its its dying ) and it might sound silly but even if I just go on a candida diet cutting out all sugar and foods that feed it, I get a poisoned feeling like a bad hangover and the flu all rolled into one.So please sarah could you advise me if you think it would be safe for me to take the lufenuron,as I so much want to find something that will help me to stop feeling so ill everyday. Thanks

[SarahVaughter]

Dear Kazz,

I of course don't know about your diagnosis, so I begin by saying that I don't recommend taking Lufenuron unless you have a positive antibody test for Candida, or a Candida culture or Candida PCR test, a Candida immunocomplexes test etc. Not a diagnosis by a naturopath. Alternatively, if you have or had objective Candida symptoms such as deep oral sores, genital rashes, rectal itching etc. and a history of antibiotic use and/or visible yeast on mucous membranes, you also can reasonably assume you at least at one time suffered from Candida and perhaps still do - if you have symptoms of which doctors assume it could be caused by Candida - not what naturopaths think is Candida. Especially if you have concentration problems and other neurological issues, I would recommend against taking Lufenuron. It is our position that Candida does not cause neurological problems, even though some customers reported good results with Lufenuron against those symptoms, others did not.

In general it is not a good idea to take large doses of antioxidants. Having a normal level in your bloodstream and tissues is healthy, this neutralizes the oxidants that damage DNA. However a very high dose, an unnaturally high dose can cause binding to the free oxygen that T-cells use to damage bacteria and fungi.

I have heard from some customers that their dieoff with Lufenuron was very severe. But they also say that Lufenuron made their life worth living again.

I must caution against too much optimism in that regard however. Many people do not suffer from Candidiasis at all, but have food allergies, brain infections or other serious problems. "Candida" is often used when doctors don't know what to do with a patient, and the alternative circuit sees a way to "capture" a patient with this diagnosis. Often, the patient spends a small fortune on all kinds of supplements and nothing helps. If you don't have Candida, Lufenuron also won't help.

So if you're not 100% sure you have Candida - and you can only be sure when you have a positive test, administered by an infectious disease specialist in a hospital - I would only try it when you are prepared for no results whatsoever - and losing 69 dollars.

[kazz]

Dear sarah, I do have a history of antibiotic use starting as a child for lots of ear infections and tonsilitis, and also from age 16 for ten years non stop on antibiotics for acne.I have suffered with irritable bowel, bloated stomache,indigestion,sinusitus,itching skin rashes,and severe itching in both ears ever since I was a child, which I thought was all due to candida.I have had a syliva test for candida Iga & Ige antibodies which was positive and a stool culture test at great smokies lab which was positive at 2+ for candida,so do you think these tests are a definate diagnosis? All through my life I have got more and more things wrong with me, and as you said spent a lot on supplements that havent helped at all. I now have so many symptoms it would take me forever to list them, I think I probably do have candida, plus other things that I dont know about. It would be good if I could at least overcome the candida a bit so I could feel a little better as at the moment I dont feel as if I am living, just existing.So please sarah can you offer me any advice at all that you think may help me. Thanks kazz

[SarahVaughter]

You may have (had) a mucous membrane Candida infection, as IgA points to that. A pity they did not do IgG and IgM.

Great Smokies Lab / Genova Diagnostics is in my opinion a scam. How it works is this:

- Naturopath uses Great Smokies Labs to find an "infection" by a "stool culture". Great Smokies gets the cash for the test.

- Naturopath makes cash with remedies against the "infection".

- This cycle can repeat itself several times.

My position on chronic health issues such as Chronic fungal/bacterial infections as well as "autoimmune" disorders and food allergies is that regular medicine is hopelessly incompetent, arrogant and disinterested in general and that the great majority of alternative practitioners are either naive and well-meaning - or they are deliberate scammers. There simply is no solution at present but to educate yourself and aquire the means to help yourself. That's why our site is called OwnDoc. We are not your "own doc", you should become your own doc!

I also urge you not to believe me at face value but to do your own research. And I strongly urge anyone reading this not to purchase Lufenuron until you have established that you indeed have Candida. Any kind of "tests" from a naturopath are worthless, except if antibody tests have been done. Not stool cultures!

I subscribe to this patient's POV:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/alternative-health/genova-diagnostics-g/genova-diagnostics-great-smoki-yb237.htm


Genova / Great Smokies Labs is mentioned on Quack Watch:

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/nonstandard.html


I am aware of Big Pharma's efforts to discredit/ban real cures, but John and I are scientific people and we totally agree that the bulk of alternative medicine is totally bogus - what's needed is science-based healthcare. What we have now is corrupt Big Pharma on one side, whose goal it is to keep us sick forever so they can sell symptom relievers until we die, and on the other hand we have an army of "natural health practitioners" - modern day voodoo priests - clueless about real medicine, making a comfortable living being affiilates for expensive, useless or even harmful products produced by large multinationals. Did you know how much Strivectin earned its producer? 30 million dollars. (Strivectin is a bogus anti-stretchmark cream). Those "natural health supplements" are a multi-billion dollar business and many "practitioners" are guilty of the same scam as Big Pharma - getting rich on people's misery. There simply is no other way to make a living in "health" if you don't push potions. The popularity of such "natural supplements" is directly related to their profit margin for vendor and affiliate naturopath. Products that cost the least to produce have the largest available advertizing buget, and they always become the most popular.

You know how much it would cost us to have someone in the Philippines SPAM forums and blogs on how "good" our products are? Three to five dollars an hour. That's what many companies do. Their profit margin is high enough for paid SPAM. We can't afford paid spammers hired through for example oDesk, but we wouldn't if we could, as our little niche, our special, very rare business model is based on word-of-mouth. Word-of-mouth only works when your products actually work, and ours do, so we don't need advertizing. What is important however is that we prevent people who would not benefit from our products from purchasing, otherwise our word-of-mouth advertizing system would suffer damage. So please, only buy Lufenuron if you have more certainty that it's not gluten sensitivity you're suffering from, to give but an example. We believe that too many people without Candida purchase our Lufenuron. It would be better if only those with an actual fungal infection would purchase, because that would generate the strongest positive feedback, we would lose our "alternative medicine" reputation and move towards the "real medicine" bracket, attracting more genuine Candida patients, etc. I always advise people: When in doubt, do not buy, unless you are prepared to spend 69 dollars on a test that essentially shows you do not have Candida - something that could save you money in Candida remedies. We don't peddle "natural cures". Lufenuron is made in a chemical factory according to EU medicine requirements and we sell a whoppingly huge 45 thousand milligram course, using peer-reviewed, published tests on primates as a dosing guideline. "Natural remedies", even if a rare one could work in theory, never do because they are under-dosed by orders of magnitude. For cost reasons and potential legal liability reasons in case someone's system can't handle a bucketload of some acid or whatever it is they're promoting.


This is an article on Great Smokies / Genova Diagnostics selling bogus tests:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=4768


"The Commercial Laboratory Hall of Shame

We are not told the name of the laboratory that Kerry used for the “provocative urine test,” but it was likely Doctor’s Data, Inc. (DDI), a company with a long history of dubious offerings. DDI and another company, Genova Diagnostics (GDX), formerly the Great Smokies Diagnostic Laboratory, sell such bogus tests as hair analysis, urinary amino acids, “intestinal permeability,” “DNA oxidative damage assay,” and various “comprehensive panels” that generate reports explicitly or implicitly calling for “detoxification” schemes, “supplements,” “nutriceuticals,” or “bioidentical hormones,” which participating practitioners are only too happy to provide. Doctor’s Data is proud of its close ties with such PPOs as the ACAM and DAN!, and like GDX is a “supporter” of the ACAM.

Genova also has a cozy relationship with naturopath Michael Murray, a long-time shill for “natural remedies” and co-editor of the Textbook of Natural Medicine, previously discussed here. One of Genova’s former divisions was BodyBalance, which peddles “test kits” directly to consumers ostensibly to measure minerals, hormones, “antioxidant reserves,” and “the body’s natural safeguard for optimal sleep, mood and cell function — melatonin” in saliva, hair, or urine."


More links discussing Genova Diagnostics "diagnostic kits":

http://www.autism-watch.org/reports/casd/overview.shtml

http://www.autism-blog.com/how-urine-toxic-metals-test-being-used-defraud-patients

[kazz]

Hi sarah thank-you for your reply and honest answers, I gave up a while ago on natural health practitioners and their treatments after wasting lots of money and only getting sicker, and as for my GP she doesnt really belive in M.E.or candida and most likely thinks my illness is all in my head. I dont understand why doctors have this attitude because why would anyone choose to be this ill and have their whole life just wasted away.So as you say there is no-one who can really help, so you have to try and help yourself, although this is very difficult when your brain doesnt function properly and you barely have the strengh to move most days.

[SarahVaughter]

I think I know why (especially Western) MD's are so dismissive and disinterested:

1. There is no time allocated for them to really find out what ails the patient.

2. Mainstream medicine is dominated by large pharmaceutical companies. They fund research, they decide what medicines to develop. They publish the journals and the magazines doctors read. Big Pharma is not interested in curing diseases that are a cash cow for them.

3. When a MD goes against "established medical wisdom" and would experiment with prescribing e.g. antibiotics against e.g. ALS or ME, he would likely lose his licence to practice. Insurance companies hate paying for things that are not in their "General agreed guidelines for medical practitioners". Yes, there are contracts between medical associations and insurance companies (also in case of government health plans) that stipulate the kind of treatment for each disease.

4. Professions with a high status and high earnings attract people who are much more interested in money and power than in helping people. I noticed that Indian, Russian and Middle-Eastern doctors have a radically different patient relationship. When they became MD's, doctors' salaries were very low so the profession attracted only people with a genuine interested in medicine and/or a strong wish to cure the patient.

5. Last but not least: Many, if not most of these complex, inexplicable health problems are basically incurable. The whole "autoimmunity" issue for example likely is caused by bacteria successfully evading the immune system through "shape-shifting" (Mycoplasma's) or OSP-cloaking. What is needed is more microbiological research into bacterial resistance mechanisms and ways to circumvent them. In my opinion, bacteria wreak more havoc than fungi. Although fungi are responsible for a lot of trouble also, especially in people who had surgery or cancer therapy. But even arteriosclerosis is now increasingly proven to be a bacterial infection of the arterial lining, the Cholesterol plaques being the body's defence mechanism against those bacterial colonies - to encapsulate them, so to speak.

Good luck!